Kubernetes comes to OpenStack this time thanks to Mirantis

For businesses wanting to run the Kubernetes cluster management framework for containers on OpenStack clouds, Google and Mirantis have teamed up to make that happen more easily.

The OpenStack Murano application catalog technology promises to ease deployment of Kubernetes clusters on OpenStack and then deploy Docker containers on those clusters.

Murano provides what Mirantis CEO Adrian Ionel (pictured above) described as a “seamless point-and-click experience” not only for deploying workloads to OpenStack, but also making sure they get there with associated automation, provisioning and security intact. “In this case we use it to automate the provisioning and life cycle management of containers,” he said.

Murano, he added, makes it easier for people to build application environments that can be container-only, or mix containers with bare metal and virtual machines in one big happy package. (I’m paraphrasing here.)

This is not the industry’s first attempt to bring Kubernetes technology, open sourced by Google last year, over to OpenStack. In August, [company] Hewlett-Packard[/company] announced its own Kubernetes setup utility for HP’s OpenStack-based Helion cloud, but I haven’t heard much about it since.

There is no exclusivity in this latest news. The work Mirantis and [company]Google[/company] have done here will, in theory, help customers deploy Kubernetes on any OpenStack distribution. Mirantis and Google will demonstrate the technology Thursday in San Francisco.

And in the grand scheme of things, nearly every cloud or wanna-be cloud vendor worth its salt (including SaltStack) Microsoft, IBM, Red Hat and others, have pledged or contributed actual support for Kubernetes.

This latest news is another indication that Google is indeed serious about providing cloud capabilities to business customers, many of whom still view public clouds like Google Cloud Platform with suspicion. OpenStack is the cloud framework usually mentioned when a company decides to deploy a private cloud that they deem more suited for mission-critical workloads.

“From a Google perspective, containerization is important and running container clusters is a great way to enable developers to be productive,” said Kit Merker, the Google product manager focusing on Google Container Engine and Kubernetes.

“We know that enterprises will take time to transition to cloud. Kubernetes is a way to optimize infrastructure so it can run workloads in private or public cloud or bare metal.”

kubernetes openstackSo this is about workload portability but not really hybrid cloud per se. “This means you can build an application that uses containers and then move it to a different environment. That is what Kubernetes is all about,” he said. That is not the same thing as seamlessly integrating public and private clouds into a hybrid scenario.

[company]Amazon[/company] Web Services still leads the world in public cloud but Google and [company]Microsoft[/company] are giving it a run for its money. Microsoft Azure, because of its business roots, is seen as an attractive public cloud for that company’s myriad business customers so both Google and AWS have to show that they “get” CIO concerns about cloud deployment and provide enterprise class features and functions.

This step by Google, along with other moves announced in the fall and more recent news that it’s bringing four Google services to VMware’s  vCloud Air, are meant to reassure the C-suite set that Google means business.

Note: This story was updated at 11:11 a.m. PST with a more complete list of Kubernetes contributors.


Internap expands OpenStack public cloud push

Internap is now offering OpenStack-based public cloud services for the enterprise-rich New York metropolitan area from its Secaucus, New Jersey data center.

Atlanta-based Internap paints its OpenStack-based AgileCLOUD as a “scalable public cloud” with dedicated CPU options and all-SSD storage. The OpenStack option is already available from Internap’s Dallas, Montreal and Amsterdam facilities.

The company launched its first OpenStack public cloud services four years ago but is playing the field, offering  private cloud options running on VMware technology as well as bare metal services.

Until recently, when it came to cloud infrastructure, OpenStack and VMware was seen as an either/or option. Now, with [company]VMware[/company] just having launched its own Managed OpenStack, things are getting more nuanced. Companies including [company]HP[/company], Mirantis, [company]Rackspace[/company], [company]Red Hat[/company] and now VMware are all pushing what they say are enterprise-ready OpenStack clouds.

The OpenStack opportunity: so how big is it?

Calculating how much revenue — or profit — commercial vendors wring out of open-source software is a tough nut to crack.

One reason is that the vendors themselves muddy the waters. There’s lots of handwaving on areas of investment when it suits their purposes but as to revenue? Well, um, never mind. (Even the cloud revenue numbers these companies put out are obfuscated, but that’s another story.)

It’s also hard because the revenue models for open-source software vary widely. Some companies charge for support; others offer both an open-source (i.e. “free”) version of the software under an open-source license and sell a commercially licensed version; some offer professional services; some combine one or more of these models. It’s complicated.

Seismic shift in sales model

One thing is clear; enterprise IT vendors accustomed to reaping fat margins on up-front sales of software licenses and then healthy margins on yearly support and maintenance re-ups, will have a very hard time replicating that profitability in the open-source world. For one thing, big customers moving to open-source are doing so at least in part to get away from that old model, which they deem as onerous, if not downright punitive. They don’t mind paying for stuff necessarily — in fact, they like the idea of an accountable vendor — but they don’t like being strong-armed into paying for stuff they don’t need or use.

On the other hand, it’s very hard for vendors to profit off of free software. For more on this check out a really interesting blog post by Dave Kellogg, CEO of Host Analytics, based on his analysis of the Hortonworks S-1 filing last month. In his view, the only company in the open-source realm to build a significant business on open-source software is [company]Red Hat[/company], and even Red Hat is itty-bitty compared to [company]IBM[/company], [company]Oracle[/company], et al.

But back to OpenStack specifically. How much money are the dozens (and dozens) of self-proclaimed OpenStack companies making? As a gage of participation, the OpenStack Foundation has 8 Platinum members; 16 Golds and 87 Corporate Sponsors for a total of 111 official stakeholders. But getting real numbers out of any of them on their revenue is a tough task.

Parsing out OpenStack revenue

Luckily, for this Week in Cloud report, 451 Research took a stab at it and last week issued estimates on the revenue picture for OpenStack. It’s call? OpenStack revenue will hit $3.3 billion in 2018, up from about $883 million this year — a 40 percent compound annual growth rate over those four years. It surveyed 60 OpenStack players and its figures include both public and private cloud. It said current revenue comes mostly from 30 of those 60 comapnies. Opinion differs but I would bet [company]Mirantis[/company] and [company]Rackspace[/company] are the two companies now making some dough off of OpenStack. The rest? Well, it’s still early days.
OpenStack Revenue Predition

Whatever you think of OpenStack, it does seem to have won the branding and marketing war when it comes to open-source cloud frameworks. That’s so although even some OpenStack proponents concede that CloudStack is a more mature solution.

“If you want cloud now, you could go with CloudStack, but these vendors are buying into the future, which appears to be OpenStack,” said Jay Lyman, research manager for cloud platforms at 451 Research.

If you take the $3.3 billion as gospel, and divide that by the 60 companies surveyed, that’s $55 million per company in 2018. Not chicken feed but not a blockbuster either. But most onlookers agree that the number of OpenStack vendors is in flux and that the consolidation we’ve already seen — Cisco buying Metacloud, EMC buying CloudScaling, etc. will continue. It just does not seem feasible that there is room for a hundred or more vendors to profit from this technology.

And, to be fair, skeptics find both the current and future revenue totals for OpenStack to be wildly optimistic. We’ll have to check back in a few years to see what happens and hope that by then the vendors will be more forthcoming about real numbers. One can hope, right?

Structure Show: Handicapping the clouds

Other than the OpenStack melee, most cloud watchers keep their eyes on [company]Amazon[/company] Web Services, [company]Microsoft[/company] Azure and [company]Google[/company] Cloud Platform.

If you want an informed opinion about the relative merits of all these players, who better to ask than the CEO of a multi-cloud management company? So we did. This week’s Structure Show guest was Sebastian Stadil, founder and CEO of [company]Scalr[/company] and he has some interesting thoughts not only on the big three but on other clouds from Oracle, [company]Joyent[/company] etc. Don’t miss it.

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